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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.03.02 03:06:00 -
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I very rarely get jammed in my Golem when fighting Guristas, and have noticed no difference in jam amounts when using a Raven, CNR, Golem, Abaddon, Maelstrom, etc. Also, CCP (through Grayscale and some other high and might actual developer that wrote the specific code in question) says that sensor strength doesn't affect the chances of rats jamming you - either a rat decides it's going to jam you or it doesn't.
-Liang
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.03.02 03:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Sturmwolke
Personally, I'd keep an open mind rather than dismissing this claim outright to a statistical blip. Yes, dev said the chance is random regardless of your ships sensor str, but they've been wrong before.
I'd been whoring L3s (>100s of mission) for standings in Caldari space and a Tengu (with Dissolution Sequencer sub) seems to be less susceptible to Guristas ECM when compared to a Drake. In fact, with the Tengu, I was left wondering why the Guristas didn't ECM more often.
I put this up to damage and intelligent target picking - because my Golem also doesn't get jammed all that often (with a 6 sensor strength, or what have you). I mean, it's frustrating when it happens, but it's quite rare. I guess the right answer is for us all to go get a Guristas mission and permatank it... and see how many times we get jammed over 8 hours or so. We might want to do this several times if there isn't a very clear answer.
-Liang
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Liang Nuren
The Aduro Protocol
Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.05 05:50:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 05/03/2010 05:50:42
Originally by: Sturmwolke
Retribution (Sensor Strength 11.0)
EW START TIME207
EW SKIP37
EW START170
Jam Success82.13%
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* The interval between attempts is roughly 20sec
Based on the data you provide, the expected jamming strength of those cruisers is 9 (9.0, 9.7, 8.1, 9.1). Based on this, I would expect my Golem to be jammed about 65% (9 / 14) of the time in Guristas missions... and this isn't the case.
I'll see if I can snag a Recon 1/3 tonight and see how often I get jammed.
-Liang
Ed: Also, I would say that there's fairly strong evidence for sensor strength mattering. Glad you did the grunt work and tested it out. ::prepares a meal of crow::
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Liang Nuren
The Aduro Protocol
Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.05 06:59:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 05/03/2010 06:59:50
Originally by: Sturmwolke
StartEffect.CheckAttackDefenseStrengths.1b (2100135012, 2000184795) (10.0, 12.0) 0.833333333333 True
CheckApplyModifiers.CheckAttackDefenseStrengths.electronicAttributes True
474883544 EW START 2100135012 1871 2000184795 129121632312974865 (20231, 20000.0) 3 (28029, 4694, 7677)
That right there is pretty damning. It's also interesting that the jam strength is:
- Vs Amarr: 10
- Vs Gallente: 11
- Vs Minmatar: 10.5
- Vs Caldari: 9.5
Yes, because the ships with the highest sensor strengths really need more bonuses. 
The site you linked said that the ship should only jam 37.5% of the time on a 20 second cycle. I'd expect to be jammed (in a Golem) .65*.375 = 24% of the time with one of those guys on the field. I'm not sure that's accurate, but as I said - I make a point to take out ECM ships quickly.
-Liang
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The Aduro Protocol
Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.05 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Axemaster
1/sqrt(sample size) = percentage error
The sample size was large enough to display a clear result. Statistical Error = +/-7%
-Liang
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The Aduro Protocol
Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.08 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
I've been lied to 
but I think it would still mostly be a waste of a slot to fit one.
Yeah, I don't plan to change my fittings when fighting Guristas.
-Liang
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